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5800 Snippit

Posted by WoodlandSpirit on 1st May 2009

Ummm, could you do this with other Symbian S60 phones? I have completely rearranged ALL of the icons! Yeah, even the system ones already on your phone you can move about on screen and into other folders. Actually the way it works is further proof that Symbian OS hasn’t just had touch support tacked onto it.

The first thing I did was to create a folder and store off all the useless stuff in there, there’s usually plenty I don’t need that comes with a phone by default and just organised the rest of the stuff a bit better. It’s all rather good, just need support for custom icons for the folders that you create so they don’t look so out of place when navigating the menu system.

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More 5800 Adventures

Posted by WoodlandSpirit on 27th April 2009

I suppose my real main gripe with the 5800 at this present time is the home screen. They show off the up coming n97 with its fancy widget adored home screen and then there is the 5800 which effectively has 2 modes, contacts or shortcuts. Contacts is nice though, you set up someone from your address book to be a button on the home screen and from there you can tap on it which will give you a set of options, typically to call them or create a new message. On top of that you get a nice little summary of recent interaction with the relevant contact, messages, calls etc.

Haven’t much looked at the shortcut option but I would like to have the home screen as both shortcuts and homescreen because there are a couple of apps I have running while I am at work and quick access to them from the home screen would be nice. The widget home screen will probably be the answer to this and hopefully will come in a future update. The Ovistore is due to open up soon so maybe just maybe a firmware update is due at the same time. Speaking of which, so far i have managed to avoid having to install the Ovi software.

There is something curious with 3rd party java apps. For compatibility purposes the phone has on screen operational buttons much like the directional buttons that you find on every other phone to navigate around menus etc. with. Instead of an app fully supporting or not supporting the touch screen at all the apps can just read input from the ‘buttons’ as if in use like every other phone, however apps that do support the touch screen properly still activate these compatibility buttons.

The Google Mail (or GMail if you like) app is a good example of this, works just fine with the touch screen yet these buttons appear taking up valuable screen space. There is however a way to turn these off on an app per app bases, simply go into ‘Settings->Application mgr.->Installed apps.’, select the appropriate app and hit ‘Options’ then ‘Suite settings’. In here there is an option for ‘On-screen keyboard’ which you can set to ‘Off’… Tada! There are other options here also that could prove useful, particularly in relation to connectivity which probably held the solution to an original issue I had before the firmware update. I’ve further noticed that these options in particular are only available on java apps.

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5800 Adventures

Posted by WoodlandSpirit on 21st April 2009

This post is not really intended as a review but more of a real user’s experience, if you want a proper review there will be plenty available through your regular search engine, in this post I will be giving an overall impression of the phone while in future posts I will look at more little things that I have experienced, enjoyed or, should it happen, hate.

When it comes to phones I have to say that I have pretty much always been in the Nokia camp, I have used other phones but they just never usually feel the same and in some instances just felt unbalanced in terms of capabilities.

Once upon I time I crossed upon into the dark side, I experienced the iPod Touch. Taken in by the wow factor I just had to have one, as time went by the app store was launched and soon became to realise that overall it is just a glorified media player, the whole app thing was a mess and in many cases they were mostly designed for the iPhone anyhow which the first gen iPod touch didn’t really match… and no, I didn’t want an iPhone, overpriced and… well, it’s an iPod trying to be a phone. The other thing that disgruntled me if I was to be honest relates to this even if it’s valid.

So Nokia’s long rumoured ‘Tube’ started to take shape in the form of the 5800, their first venture into the Touchscreen phone market. At this point I was selling up the iPod but in doing so help me understand what I exactly used it for which wasn’t for the apps, I missed the collection of podcast subscriptions I had built up even if it couldn’t remember which ones I had listened too, exploring my current phone further (at the time the E51 which I had bought in companionship with the iPod, there’s a post about it here) I soon discovered the usefulness of finding an appropriate app in conjunction with having an unlimited data tariff which did actually give me added respect to the iPhone, still didn’t want one though.

Stories started to hit about the N97 which would be more of a competitor to the iPhone, however, still a little time away my interest in the 5800 peaked when I actually read what it was capable of doing, it fitted my needs for what I wanted from a portable device, was missing the podcasts, wanted a way to view tutorial vids while work was slow which I had planned for the iPod and could explore further this whole ‘connected app’ business… and all at a cheaper price!

So the day arrives, the 5800 is in my hands, and nicely it fits in there too, even fitted into the case for my other phone, if with a little bit of a squeeze. Hardware wise it is not on the same level of the the likes of the iPhone but is not intended to be so don’t expect flashy 3D graphic effects! This is the problem I think some reviewers/users have, they use an iPhone, Nokia releases theirs and they expect the same, ‘Oh the UI is rubbish’…. nooooo it fits the needs of the phone and the symbian OS always has fitted the needs of the phone.

The touchscreen itself, it does seem awkward sometimes trying to select the smaller things, to the point I find it a lot easier using my nail rather than my finger tip, but overall it is responsive (even more so with the v20 firmware) and dragging things about is of little hassle. Just note that you may find yourself using the stylus a lot. An interesting thing however is the little vibration it gives back in response to touches, actually works quite well and fills in for the missing textual feel of pushing a button.

People have said that Nokia have just tacked on the touchscreen function to an existing version of the OS… doesn’t feel like that to me and using some apps makes it even more apparent that they haven’t just tacked it on, Google Maps is a good example, works very nice with the touch screen (had a look at the included Nokia Maps… lasted about 10 seconds before I had to switch it off, felt so slow and clunky in comparison). People are right about some places needing a single touch to other places needing a double touch can throw you a little but noting which area is which it soon makes sense as there are things that have additional options like being able to delete and move a message. May help to unify the double touch but you get use to it.

Speaking of Google Maps, experienced my first bit of GPS fun, the two combined and it is the closest I will ever come to actually using sat nav. Think people have a problem of letting the things tell them what to do (woman driving onto a railway line comes to mind). With the the right software it can be used for sat nav but I have always said, a map and a bit of common sense is all you need. So Google Maps, the route mapped out and the little blue dot follows you along as you drive at your own leisure, very accurately as well. Actually makes me want to walk/drive out into the middle of nowhere and see where it places me on the map.

Power usage wise it is probably as expected, heavy usage will probably result in you having to charge it each night, in my experience there doesn’t seem to be quite enough for a full two days of use which is a bit of bugger as I hate charging a phone when the battery is only half used, saying that however, the batteryy could still be settling in. Will update on this if anything changes.

Looking around the Nokia forums got me a little worried when I was looking up a little problem I was having. Plenty of posts with issues but a lot of these seem to relate to proper hardware (unlucky) problems or simple stressing out of the OS which that in itself will no doubt improve over time if you are a proper hard core heavy user. Incidentally there are already improvements in the v20 firmware, my little issue was resolved in the update when I finally got the software updater to see the phone after having to change the cable to a different USB port, but also to my surprise, the update retained all user data… however still backup the phone before hand JUST IN CASE!

Overall, as an existing Nokia phone user, the 5800 ticks off all what I have come to expect when being are used to Nokia phones and adds other things into the mix, my use of the phone has been a pleasure and look forward to what else is in store with future firmware updates.

More to come :)

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